Tuesday, September 26, 2023

"cluttered with regurgitations"

A piece by Chal Ravens at DJ mag asks "what is the future of sampling"?

The first half  is more about the present (the craze for edits on the dance scene and bootleg tracks that rip from well-known pop songs) and even more so about the past of sampling. Indeed it's a bit of a samplescape itself, with loads of quotes (including one from Kieran!) and some fairly familiar history (stuff about the Akai MPC, court cases in the early '90s).

Gets really interesting in the second half when it looks at the artistic potential and cultural implications of AI.

Like the STEMS technology that enables producers and deejays to cleanly separate the instruments within a sampled stretch of music. (Similar AI demixing technology enabled the remixing of Beatles albums where the four-track technology of the era had meant that tracks had been bounced down, smushing together instrumental parts inseparably - until now)

Then there's software that can "generate entire songs based on text descriptions" like Riffusion . "Through text prompts, the model can find the midpoint between otherwise unrelated sounds — what’s between, say, Goa trance and Don Cherry’s trumpet? Ask Riffusion and it’ll spit out a sample that imagines exactly that, despite the impossibility of making the “real” thing.". 

Then there's deepfake raps, where a producer can generate a convincing simulacrum of a guest feature by a star artist - not quoting an existing performance and redeploying (as with jungle borrowing bits of dancehall and gangsta rap) but creating an all-new performance in another's style. 

I wondered though - do either of those really count as sampling? Aren't they more like AI-assisted pastiche, or AI-assisted impersonation, or AI-assisted identity-theft? 

The text-to-audio stuff seems like it's outsourcing the kind of zany hybridization that supergroup initiators like Bill Laswell liked to do. Or wackily eclectic genre-colliders like. I don't know, Primus, that kind of band. The creativity reduces to thinking up the goofy idea;  the craft of implementing it is left to the technology.  But as Jaron Lanier says piquantly in the piece, the struggle to realise an unlikely or adventurously preposterous idea is the point:  “Would you want robots to have sex for you so you don’t have to? I mean, what is life for?”  

Likewise the things that Holly Herndon have done with training a vocal entity by feeding it human singing seem so far removed in process, intent and outcome from sampling as audio-quote that it doesn't really make sense to think of Spawn et al in the same breath as mash-ups and collages. 

Ditto patten's deployment of " text-to-audio AI samples from Riffusion, a model based on a database of sonograms" on Mirage FM. This feels more like a convoluted form of synthesis than a citational mode in the tradition of Pop Art / Appropriation Art. A couple of steps beyond Todd Edwards's sample choir into effectively sourceless ethereality. 



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One thing worth noting is that until recently - the rash of interpolations and quotes in pop songs, driven by publishing companies looking to exploit assets to the utmost - overt sampling had become rather rare in mainstream pop. It was particularly noticeable with hip hop during the 2000s and 2010s: the whole historical branch of it based around the deejay-as-crate-digger became a niche underground aesthetic (Dilla being the most visible exponent). Probably the only major mainstream rap auteur still basing his thing around recognisable sample quotes during this period was Kanye. Whereas trap, for instance, hardly ever featured samples. When it did - Future's "Mask Off" with the use of an obscure soundtrack song, Migos clumsily deploying "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" -  it was striking, had a pronounced throwback feel. For the most part trap - and mainstream rap generally - in the 21st Century wasn't about breaks and loops;  it  involved programming beats, synths and keybs, and other elements assembled and organized within digital audio workstations. Beat-makers might still sometimes call themselves "DJ", but what they did had little relation to the deejay skill set. 

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Given that AI technology promises to be the most radical music production innovation since sampling and computer sequencing (time stretching and autotune being basically just gimmicky effects rather than compositional tools), it will be interesting to see what, if any, radical changes in music it will lead to.

Noteworthy about patten's Mirage FM is that, despite the innovation involved, the outcome is merely a reiteration of the 2step vocal science formula set out by Burial 18 years ago. That doesn't offer much hope, but it's still too early to tell. Naivete being the real driving force of change, AI technology needs to be picked up by teens in some cultural wasteland overlooked by chin stroking hipness.

Tyler said...

Well, 'AI' isn't actually a compositional tool either - it's basically a gigantic industrial sized tank of stolen data/associated byproducts with spigots attached, and you can go up and pull a shot of it determined by tags, noise, and/or statistics. It's not collage, which as Simon notes implies quotation - it's an algorithmic slurry of the entire internet.

Tyler said...

Implies DELIBERATE quotation, sorry missed a word

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Tyler said...

Regarding the linked-to piece itself - it's weird in one sense because it's the author trying to will himself into that old-time technophile/-optimist religion, and seemingly succeeding by the end. Whatever hold that religion had on me to begin with is gone at this point, so I'll leave that be.

One issue I would like to bring up is the slippery conflation between 'audience' and 'fandom', and the assertion that 'there is no artist without his fandom'. That basically is the current system, where the artist is effectively an influencer - simultaneously responsible for being an ostensibly one-to-one leader for their followers and beholden to them for any and all decisions, artistic or personal. That doesn't seem like a good thing to be encouraging.

SIMON REYNOLDS said...

"a gigantic industrial sized tank of stolen data/associated byproducts with spigots attached, and you can go up and pull a shot of it determined by tags, noise, and/or statistics. It's not collage - it's an algorithmic slurry of the entire internet"

love this description! especially algorhithmic slurry

SIMON REYNOLDS said...

"Noteworthy about patten's Mirage FM is that, despite the innovation involved, the outcome is merely a reiteration of the 2step vocal science formula set out by Burial 18 years ago."

Well you say Burial, I say Todd Edwards - Burial's ancestor and prime influence. Which would mean it's more like 24 years ago.

With the track "Forever" in particular, https://youtu.be/frXDpMmqlrs?si=6XDQhojadEIUa-iv
I was stunned by how Todd Edwardsy the vibe was.

I like the album, though, there's something to extra-melted and tangled quality of the sounds. A humanoid emo-slurry